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		<title>Comment on Thanks, John, For A Great Meeting by andyscathouse</title>
		<link>http://freethoughtfortwayne.org/2008/05/16/thanks-john-for-a-great-meeting/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>andyscathouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 04:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know if the meeting could have gone any better.  John was great.  (Maybe less noise in the other meeting room, but that was no biggie) I enjoyed the group conversation and Q&#38;A.  I think we picked up a lot of new members.   I agree that the theists were cordial and listened well.  The kids at the end asked honest questions about evolution and Ben Stein's movie.  They listened and all I did was say first don't give up on science because of evolution and religious groups fighting science.  Most churches made their peace with Darwin a long time ago and you don't have to be atheist to be a scientist or appreciate science.   It was like a weight lifted for them.  

After we air the audio presentation, we should calm down a bit on the anti- religion and focus on the much harder part of promoting science and reason. 

BTW: I don't know if you caught this but the attorney let it slip during the "write your own bible challenge" that he thought the world is 6000 years old.  He said "Yeah we've been waiting  6000 years for you," sarcastically!  I don't know how it is possible to be that well educated but be so wrong about the age of the earth.  Talk about compartmentalization.  I think he was spying for a conservative think tank or a very conservative church.  I have noticed  the founders of ID and discovery institute folks are lawyers.  Lee Strobel is a lawyer, too.  I think they think perceived truth is truth from dealing with courts...  They know how to argue from any perspective.   (I don't want to paint all lawyers as bad, go Eddie T)  Maybe it is the mix of being very conservative and law?  I know this is anecdotal...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if the meeting could have gone any better.  John was great.  (Maybe less noise in the other meeting room, but that was no biggie) I enjoyed the group conversation and Q&amp;A.  I think we picked up a lot of new members.   I agree that the theists were cordial and listened well.  The kids at the end asked honest questions about evolution and Ben Stein&#8217;s movie.  They listened and all I did was say first don&#8217;t give up on science because of evolution and religious groups fighting science.  Most churches made their peace with Darwin a long time ago and you don&#8217;t have to be atheist to be a scientist or appreciate science.   It was like a weight lifted for them.  </p>
<p>After we air the audio presentation, we should calm down a bit on the anti- religion and focus on the much harder part of promoting science and reason. </p>
<p>BTW: I don&#8217;t know if you caught this but the attorney let it slip during the &#8220;write your own bible challenge&#8221; that he thought the world is 6000 years old.  He said &#8220;Yeah we&#8217;ve been waiting  6000 years for you,&#8221; sarcastically!  I don&#8217;t know how it is possible to be that well educated but be so wrong about the age of the earth.  Talk about compartmentalization.  I think he was spying for a conservative think tank or a very conservative church.  I have noticed  the founders of ID and discovery institute folks are lawyers.  Lee Strobel is a lawyer, too.  I think they think perceived truth is truth from dealing with courts&#8230;  They know how to argue from any perspective.   (I don&#8217;t want to paint all lawyers as bad, go Eddie T)  Maybe it is the mix of being very conservative and law?  I know this is anecdotal&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on John Loftus entertains, informs and incites in Fort Wayne by neuralgourmet</title>
		<link>http://freethoughtfortwayne.org/2008/05/16/john-loftus-entertains-informs-and-incites-in-fort-wayne/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>neuralgourmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 18:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Thanks, John, For A Great Meeting by Skeptigator</title>
		<link>http://freethoughtfortwayne.org/2008/05/16/thanks-john-for-a-great-meeting/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>Skeptigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 17:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have plans for posting the audio (or better) from the meeting itself, please stay tuned ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have plans for posting the audio (or better) from the meeting itself, please stay tuned &#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thanks, John, For A Great Meeting by Skeptigator</title>
		<link>http://freethoughtfortwayne.org/2008/05/16/thanks-john-for-a-great-meeting/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator>Skeptigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 17:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"...ill-behaved mannerless bag of douche."

I have to agree the two most ill-behaved members of the audience 
a) both showed up late, 
b) broke the "rules" of the meeting (due to their tardiness) and 
c) gave the impression that they were more interested in "saying something" than engaging in a conversation that would lead to any kind of understanding. 

Overall everyone was very well behaved and should be commended. I thought the young men in the front asked some excellent questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;ill-behaved mannerless bag of douche.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have to agree the two most ill-behaved members of the audience<br />
a) both showed up late,<br />
b) broke the &#8220;rules&#8221; of the meeting (due to their tardiness) and<br />
c) gave the impression that they were more interested in &#8220;saying something&#8221; than engaging in a conversation that would lead to any kind of understanding. </p>
<p>Overall everyone was very well behaved and should be commended. I thought the young men in the front asked some excellent questions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on John Loftus interviewed in the News-Sentinel by Skeptigator</title>
		<link>http://freethoughtfortwayne.org/2008/05/13/john-loftus-interviewed-in-the-news-sentinel/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>Skeptigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 12:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My main concern isn't about myself although I have extended family it would be best if they didn't know. Oh the misery of those conversations. 

What I am more concerned about is our kids who are in the public school system. I'm a little concerned that they will be treated differently or impacted in some negative way.

I'd prefer that they just be left alone and allowed to be freakin' kids. I'm going to see about having my last name removed from the online version at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My main concern isn&#8217;t about myself although I have extended family it would be best if they didn&#8217;t know. Oh the misery of those conversations. </p>
<p>What I am more concerned about is our kids who are in the public school system. I&#8217;m a little concerned that they will be treated differently or impacted in some negative way.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d prefer that they just be left alone and allowed to be freakin&#8217; kids. I&#8217;m going to see about having my last name removed from the online version at least.</p>
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		<title>Comment on John Loftus interviewed in the News-Sentinel by theodoersing</title>
		<link>http://freethoughtfortwayne.org/2008/05/13/john-loftus-interviewed-in-the-news-sentinel/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>theodoersing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 04:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never thought about it until recently, but I've never had the displeasure of worrying about "coming out of the atheist closet", I've always been openly atheist without much concern, even in Fort Wayne.

What I have been overly conscious of is arguing with the Islamic community.  I've forayed into the land of Muhammad infrequently, but everytime I do I'm met with extreme resistance and accusations of hate and bigotry.

I think I have a decent grasp of Islam and a basic familiarity with Hadith (it is reminiscent of the Catechism of the Catholic church in its insane restrictions and the ridiculous amount of stupid, boring things to learn and do dogmatically), and I'm already thick-skinned and know much of what I say will be interpreted as hate-speech and the like.  I was just surprised in the dramatic difference in arguing with Christians as opposed to Muslims.  That is not meant as a compliment towards Christians either.  I feel like I am talking with a Scientologist who is accusing me personally of every fault and atrocity associated with Western civilization when I speak with Muslims (and not converts either) who, most of which (especially the underprivileged women) do not fully grasp, let alone appreciate, the concept of individual liberties or pretend not to in reverence and fear of their almighty Allah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never thought about it until recently, but I&#8217;ve never had the displeasure of worrying about &#8220;coming out of the atheist closet&#8221;, I&#8217;ve always been openly atheist without much concern, even in Fort Wayne.</p>
<p>What I have been overly conscious of is arguing with the Islamic community.  I&#8217;ve forayed into the land of Muhammad infrequently, but everytime I do I&#8217;m met with extreme resistance and accusations of hate and bigotry.</p>
<p>I think I have a decent grasp of Islam and a basic familiarity with Hadith (it is reminiscent of the Catechism of the Catholic church in its insane restrictions and the ridiculous amount of stupid, boring things to learn and do dogmatically), and I&#8217;m already thick-skinned and know much of what I say will be interpreted as hate-speech and the like.  I was just surprised in the dramatic difference in arguing with Christians as opposed to Muslims.  That is not meant as a compliment towards Christians either.  I feel like I am talking with a Scientologist who is accusing me personally of every fault and atrocity associated with Western civilization when I speak with Muslims (and not converts either) who, most of which (especially the underprivileged women) do not fully grasp, let alone appreciate, the concept of individual liberties or pretend not to in reverence and fear of their almighty Allah.</p>
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		<title>Comment on John Loftus interviewed in the News-Sentinel by AnalogKid9</title>
		<link>http://freethoughtfortwayne.org/2008/05/13/john-loftus-interviewed-in-the-news-sentinel/#comment-147</link>
		<dc:creator>AnalogKid9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 03:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't worry Skep it's okay to be honest about your powers of reason.  I know there are people right now that fear me merely because they I know I deny their god and holy spirit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry Skep it&#8217;s okay to be honest about your powers of reason.  I know there are people right now that fear me merely because they I know I deny their god and holy spirit.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Get your physics on! by andyscathouse</title>
		<link>http://freethoughtfortwayne.org/2008/05/13/get-your-physics-on/#comment-146</link>
		<dc:creator>andyscathouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 22:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that was fast neural.  Thanks for the link.  I learned something today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that was fast neural.  Thanks for the link.  I learned something today.</p>
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		<title>Comment on John Loftus interviewed in the News-Sentinel by dystressed</title>
		<link>http://freethoughtfortwayne.org/2008/05/13/john-loftus-interviewed-in-the-news-sentinel/#comment-145</link>
		<dc:creator>dystressed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't really like the tone of "willfully unchurched." I guess it's accurate, but it sounds like we just don't like church. I think for some of us, FTFW is more complicated than that. 

My eyes bugged out when I saw Jeremy's name. 

I wish I could be there tomorrow. Here's to not having a bunch of crazies coming to protest. (raises a metaphorical glass)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t really like the tone of &#8220;willfully unchurched.&#8221; I guess it&#8217;s accurate, but it sounds like we just don&#8217;t like church. I think for some of us, FTFW is more complicated than that. </p>
<p>My eyes bugged out when I saw Jeremy&#8217;s name. </p>
<p>I wish I could be there tomorrow. Here&#8217;s to not having a bunch of crazies coming to protest. (raises a metaphorical glass)</p>
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		<title>Comment on John Loftus interviewed in the News-Sentinel by John W. Loftus</title>
		<link>http://freethoughtfortwayne.org/2008/05/13/john-loftus-interviewed-in-the-news-sentinel/#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator>John W. Loftus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last thing, Bob told me he's an agnostic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last thing, Bob told me he&#8217;s an agnostic.</p>
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