One of our flyers that was posted in a student lounge at IPFW [1] has had a little message to us written on it:
The handwritten text reads:
Ironically, In traditional Christianity the desire to search for answers and quest after more than the world is offering is proof of the Holy Spirit. So, in effect, just by being, you are proving Christian’s [sic] faith as true. How fun is that?
I don’t know: is smug gullibility fun? Viewing it certainly can be. Now, although the analysis of such a childlike attempt at one-upsmanship can be a tad dismal, we have here a clear specimen of the fallacies of equivocation and the non sequitur, fresh-caught from the wild, so it’s good practice to observe how exactly our interlocutor employs them.
The writer uses the label “Holy Spirit” in two different senses. It’s at first a metaphor, I guess: a personification of the inclination to “search for answers.” That’s the only charitable way to interpret the first sentence, since the existence of our search is held up as evidence of the thing’s existence. But then the writer holds the Holy Spirit to be part and parcel of Christians’ faith, and since we’re talking about “traditional” Christians, it’s likely that the writer means us to understand by the term something that actually exists as an actual, non-metaphorical being.
If the thing is a metaphor, then it’s not evidence of the truth of Christian beliefs. It’s evidence that people are curious about the world and want to learn about it, and that’s all. Christianity, despite its pretensions, doesn’t get to claim all human inquiry as being its domain by default. Sorry.
If the thing’s really a spirit that descends on people like a dove and sets things on fire and such, then, of course, its existence doesn’t follow from the fact that Freethought Fort Wayne exists. Magic spirits are—do I really have to say this to a college student?—not a particularly compelling explanation for the fact that people have thoughts and want to know stuff. The brain is quite capable of producing such desires on its own.
Really, even if some kind of dualism were shown to be true, and it were some spirit making me enjoy my bio labs, that would actually hurt the Christians’ case. One of the things that’s supposed to happen when this spirit of theirs starts smacking you around is that you get drawn to Christ, right? Well, whatever spirit is inspiring me to join a freethought group and study science is doing a ridiculously poor job of any such evangelical duty, since I’m still an atheist, though I was once a Christian. In fact, I actually go a bit further in condemning Christian ethics and some of Christ’s teachings than other members of the group: Turn the other cheek? Really? How’s that gonna help me stand up to a bully? [2] If it’s the Christian Holy Spirit we’re talking about, he’s pretty pathetically incompetent. [3]
If, by any chance, the author of that little scribbling is reading this, here’s some well-meant advice: Stop going to whatever congregation, study group, club, or church is leading you to believe that such inane dot-connecting counts as thinking. They’re making you stupider than you need be. In fact, I’m rather confident that you needn’t be stupid at all, given that (1) you seem to have a baseline respect for the process of thinking and seeking answers—you could have condemned the whole enterprise of forming a group to discuss, question, and think, but back-handedly praised it instead—and (2) you’re attending a university, where actual information is all around you, if you will just avail yourself of it. And you’re welcome to comment here.
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[1] Indiana University–Purdue University Fort Wayne, for non-local readers.
[2] Though it’s an interesting peek into the mindset of subjects living under the yoke of a Roman provincial governor, when resistance to the Empire was futile. To their credit, some Jews tried, at about the time the Gospels were probably written, and the ramp that the Roman general built to assault their last garrison at Masada is still there.
[3] With this little bit of thoughtcrime, I’ve irredeemably condemned myself to Hell, or whatever happens when the big man doesn’t forgive you, according to gentle little Jesus (Matthew 12:31-32).

Nice write up. I would say the flyers are effective and someone noticed,”ironically.”
Why do I get the feeling we will be seeing more of these facepalm pictures? Google images?
It’s the power of the meme, sir. We are powerless against it.
I’m not sure if this will post right or not… but here goes.
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OMG, so, like, by being part of this group and stuff, I’m, like, accepting the Holy Spirit? Holy Geez, I GET IT!
Good job Butter. I really appreciate you critically analyzing this. This student’s type of circular reasoning is just typical of people who are just too lazy to really think about things deeply and critically.
I had difficulty parsing the interlocutor’s argument and had to make some assumptions, but I think his/her argument boils down to this:
* If a group has a desire to search for answers, then the Holy Spirit exists.[1]
* If the Holy Spirit exists, then (the Christian) god exists.
* FreeThought Fort Wayne is a group.
* FTFW has a desire to search for answers, therefore, god exists.
Daggummit, I guess god really does exist.
But, wait! If a statement (e.g. if p then q) is true, then its inverse (e.g. if not p then not q) is also true. Using this, we can construct a ‘proof’ that god does not exist.
* If a group does not have a desire to search for answers, then the Holy Spirit does not exist.
* If the Holy Spirit does not exist, then (the Christian) god does not exist.
* The Universal Church Triumphant of the Apathetic Agnostic is a group. (“We don’t know and we don’t care.”)
* The UCTAA does not have a desire to search for answers, therefore, god does not exist.
If the ‘you’ that the interlocutor was refering to is, specifically, the FreeThought Fort Wayne group (rather than any group), then FTFW has a choice: if they continue to have a desire to search for answers, then god exists; if they cease to have a desire to search for answers then god does not exist. The interlocutor’s argument has given FTFW great power. Use it responsibly. (And be sure to let the world know what you’ve decided.)
[1] Depending on how the original statement is parsed, this may only be true if the group is a traditional Christian group. But then the statement would not be ironic. And it would be circular. (i.e. If you believe in god, the desire to search for answers proves that there is a god.)
Oops. Ignore that last post. I need to go back to logic class.
Wait, so by denying the Holy Spirit we’re affirming it? This sounds familiar, like something from my youth… “Ha ha, its opposite day!”
Seriously though, this is just a variation on the common argument that all good comes from god, so if you’re doing something good it’s because god made you do it, even if you don’t recognize this fact. Idiotic.
@Tony,
Idiotic? Maybe. But, um, “isn’t that fun?”
best line
Hey wait! I have thoughts and I want to know stuff!?