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	<title>Comments on: Ben Stein and The Descent of Man = quote mining</title>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://freethoughtfortwayne.org/2008/04/28/ben-stein-and-the-descent-of-man-quote-mining/#comment-133</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joey, if that's your first "original" video, then you are a natural.  

I think I'll subscribe to your vids.  Keep 'em coming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joey, if that&#8217;s your first &#8220;original&#8221; video, then you are a natural.  </p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ll subscribe to your vids.  Keep &#8216;em coming!</p>
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		<title>By: andyscathouse</title>
		<link>http://freethoughtfortwayne.org/2008/04/28/ben-stein-and-the-descent-of-man-quote-mining/#comment-132</link>
		<dc:creator>andyscathouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 05:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joey,

I like the clip a lot.  

I am no fan of "weasel" news so I don't watch Hannity and Colmes because Sean is so arrogant and cocky.  Alan is only one on that network that I am aware of that is sane.  He keeps Ann Coulter in check when he is allowed to speak....

In this case, I don't think it is fair to call Alan Colmes a tool.  I think he was just reading the prompter about the movie and that was not his take.  He fought Ben a little on the Nazi propaganda. (He should have fought harder, but I think Sean has a button that can shock Alan when he gets out of line...)  

Check out this interview with Alan and Richard Dawkins.  I think you will be surprised: http://richarddawkins.net/article,2360,Richard-Dawkins-on-The-Alan-Colmes-Show,Fox-Radio-Richard-Dawkins-Alan-Colmes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joey,</p>
<p>I like the clip a lot.  </p>
<p>I am no fan of &#8220;weasel&#8221; news so I don&#8217;t watch Hannity and Colmes because Sean is so arrogant and cocky.  Alan is only one on that network that I am aware of that is sane.  He keeps Ann Coulter in check when he is allowed to speak&#8230;.</p>
<p>In this case, I don&#8217;t think it is fair to call Alan Colmes a tool.  I think he was just reading the prompter about the movie and that was not his take.  He fought Ben a little on the Nazi propaganda. (He should have fought harder, but I think Sean has a button that can shock Alan when he gets out of line&#8230 <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Check out this interview with Alan and Richard Dawkins.  I think you will be surprised: <a href="http://richarddawkins.net/article,2360,Richard-Dawkins-on-The-Alan-Colmes-Show,Fox-Radio-Richard-Dawkins-Alan-Colmes" rel="nofollow">http://richarddawkins.net/article,2360,Richard-Dawkins-on-The-Alan-Colmes-Show,Fox-Radio-Richard-Dawkins-Alan-Colmes</a></p>
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		<title>By: JoeyRamone63</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeyRamone63</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 04:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stein had an interview Hannity &#38; Colmes prior to the release of the movie.  I have put together my own analysis of the interview here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgdvdDXZog4

This is my first "original" video so I hope you enjoy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stein had an interview Hannity &amp; Colmes prior to the release of the movie.  I have put together my own analysis of the interview here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgdvdDXZog4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgdvdDXZog4</a></p>
<p>This is my first &#8220;original&#8221; video so I hope you enjoy it.</p>
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		<title>By: andyscathouse</title>
		<link>http://freethoughtfortwayne.org/2008/04/28/ben-stein-and-the-descent-of-man-quote-mining/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>andyscathouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 00:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

Let me first deal with your incredibly arrogant and ignorant argument from authority fallacy.  What scientist where?  Serious scientists?  You have to be more specific.   (I know of a few hundred questionable and religious motived scientists from the discovery institute, AIG, CRC.)

Take a nice look at Project Steve for the counter argument:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Steve
  
The "truly important message of film" is it is propaganda and they didn't show one form of evidence for ID or even define ID.  The discovery institute says ID isn't religious yet the film is all about religion....  That cannot be good for DI.  I found it incredibly funny when they tried to make fun of Richard Dawkins who was putting forward the only serious idea of ID that he could think of was aliens might have started life here....  (Isn't this ID with "agent" ).   Which is it agent or God?

If there is evidence for ID bring it on.  Why isn't that in the film?  Instead they show how complicated cells are with questionable copyright tactics.   This is the "Argument from Personal Incredulity; I cannot explain or understand this, therefore it cannot be true. Creationists are fond of arguing that they cannot imagine the complexity of life resulting from blind evolution, but that does not mean life did not evolve."
(http://www.theskepticsguide.org/logicalfallacies.asp )  

You are obviously Christian.  I took a quick look at your page...  The film purposely left out all the clergy and scientists who do support and love evolution such as Kennith Miller and Francis Collins.  They don't let religion stop science instead it brings it closer to their idea of God.  Lying is not what Jesus would approve of anyway.  Spend some time on http://www.expelledexposed.com/ and go the religion and science section.  (You can read that even the few scientist they highlighted)

For me, evolution (The film incorrectly calls us Darwinists when the theory of evolution has more mechanisms now than natural selection) didn't make me become atheistic towards the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church.  Reading the Bible and learning about all the other religions did.  If one actually reads it without being spoon fed how to read certain sections and therefore one cannot ignore the morally disgusting sections, they are more likely to become non-theists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>Let me first deal with your incredibly arrogant and ignorant argument from authority fallacy.  What scientist where?  Serious scientists?  You have to be more specific.   (I know of a few hundred questionable and religious motived scientists from the discovery institute, AIG, CRC.)</p>
<p>Take a nice look at Project Steve for the counter argument:  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Steve" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Steve</a></p>
<p>The &#8220;truly important message of film&#8221; is it is propaganda and they didn&#8217;t show one form of evidence for ID or even define ID.  The discovery institute says ID isn&#8217;t religious yet the film is all about religion&#8230;.  That cannot be good for DI.  I found it incredibly funny when they tried to make fun of Richard Dawkins who was putting forward the only serious idea of ID that he could think of was aliens might have started life here&#8230;.  (Isn&#8217;t this ID with &#8220;agent&#8221; ).   Which is it agent or God?</p>
<p>If there is evidence for ID bring it on.  Why isn&#8217;t that in the film?  Instead they show how complicated cells are with questionable copyright tactics.   This is the &#8220;Argument from Personal Incredulity; I cannot explain or understand this, therefore it cannot be true. Creationists are fond of arguing that they cannot imagine the complexity of life resulting from blind evolution, but that does not mean life did not evolve.&#8221;<br />
(http://www.theskepticsguide.org/logicalfallacies.asp )  </p>
<p>You are obviously Christian.  I took a quick look at your page&#8230;  The film purposely left out all the clergy and scientists who do support and love evolution such as Kennith Miller and Francis Collins.  They don&#8217;t let religion stop science instead it brings it closer to their idea of God.  Lying is not what Jesus would approve of anyway.  Spend some time on <a href="http://www.expelledexposed.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.expelledexposed.com/</a> and go the religion and science section.  (You can read that even the few scientist they highlighted)</p>
<p>For me, evolution (The film incorrectly calls us Darwinists when the theory of evolution has more mechanisms now than natural selection) didn&#8217;t make me become atheistic towards the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church.  Reading the Bible and learning about all the other religions did.  If one actually reads it without being spoon fed how to read certain sections and therefore one cannot ignore the morally disgusting sections, they are more likely to become non-theists.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 00:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Andy.  Mr. Bronowski was very eloquent and concise.

Dave, if you would be so kind, I was wondering if you could tell me where you've learned that evolutionary theory has been discredited.

Also, am I correct in reading that you are equating "science vs. religion" with "good vs. evil"?  I just don't see it as that black and white or absolute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Andy.  Mr. Bronowski was very eloquent and concise.</p>
<p>Dave, if you would be so kind, I was wondering if you could tell me where you&#8217;ve learned that evolutionary theory has been discredited.</p>
<p>Also, am I correct in reading that you are equating &#8220;science vs. religion&#8221; with &#8220;good vs. evil&#8221;?  I just don&#8217;t see it as that black and white or absolute.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Macy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Macy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truly important message is that evolution as a scientific theory has been all but abandoned and discredited by serious scientists throughout the world.

While Darwin and his theory cannot explain the Holocaust- the exlanation can be found in the reality of good vs. evil, light vs. darkness. There is a spiritual realm which science cannot accept and will remain a mystery to the person who is not 'born again'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truly important message is that evolution as a scientific theory has been all but abandoned and discredited by serious scientists throughout the world.</p>
<p>While Darwin and his theory cannot explain the Holocaust- the exlanation can be found in the reality of good vs. evil, light vs. darkness. There is a spiritual realm which science cannot accept and will remain a mystery to the person who is not &#8216;born again&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: andyscathouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>andyscathouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anti-Evolution Film Misappropriates the Holocaust 
From http://www.adl.org/PresRele/HolNa_52/5277_52.htm  It speaks for itself....


New York, NY, April 29, 2008 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today issued the following statement regarding the controversial film Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed.

The film Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed misappropriates the Holocaust and its imagery as a part of its political effort to discredit the scientific community which rejects so-called intelligent design theory.

Hitler did not need Darwin to devise his heinous plan to exterminate the Jewish people and Darwin and evolutionary theory cannot explain Hitler's genocidal madness.

Using the Holocaust in order to tarnish those who promote the theory of evolution is outrageous and trivializes the complex factors that led to the mass extermination of European Jewry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anti-Evolution Film Misappropriates the Holocaust<br />
From <a href="http://www.adl.org/PresRele/HolNa_52/5277_52.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.adl.org/PresRele/HolNa_52/5277_52.htm</a>  It speaks for itself&#8230;.</p>
<p>New York, NY, April 29, 2008 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today issued the following statement regarding the controversial film Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed.</p>
<p>The film Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed misappropriates the Holocaust and its imagery as a part of its political effort to discredit the scientific community which rejects so-called intelligent design theory.</p>
<p>Hitler did not need Darwin to devise his heinous plan to exterminate the Jewish people and Darwin and evolutionary theory cannot explain Hitler&#8217;s genocidal madness.</p>
<p>Using the Holocaust in order to tarnish those who promote the theory of evolution is outrageous and trivializes the complex factors that led to the mass extermination of European Jewry.</p>
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